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	Ze	Us	consensus
1	d4	d5	56%
2	c4	e6	66%
3	Nc3	Bb4	48%
4	Nf3	Nf6	82%
5	e3	Ne4	56%
6	Qc2	f5	62%
7	Bd3	O-O	83%
8	O-O	b6	61%
9	a3	Bxc3	57%
10	bxc3	Ba6	65%
11	Ne5	Nd7	37%
12	Nc6	Qf6	89%
13	f3	Nd6	100%
14	e4	dxc4	100%
15	Be2	e5	100%
16	d5	Nb8	55%
17	Nb4	Bb7	93%
18	a4	a5	100%
19	Na2	Nd7	50%
20	Ba3	Rac8	50%
21	Rab1	Qg5	60%
22	Kh1	fxe4	61%
23	fxe4	Qg6	89%
24	Rxf8+	Rxf8	100%
25	Bxd6	Rf2	100%
26	Rg1	cxd6	100%
27	Qd1	Nf6	73%
28	Bf3	Nxe4	93%
29	Nc1	Rd2	53%
30	Bxe4	Rxd1	100%
31	Bxg6	Rxg1+	100%
32	Kxg1	hxg6	100%
33	Resign	---

Strategy Discussion

Contents 1 Strategy Discussion

Our Pawn at d5 is still being threatened by the pawn at c4, but it is protected by pawn at e6. The c3 knight no longer threatens d5, as our b4 Bishop has it pinned to his king.

Ze moved e3, defending a pawn that isn't being attacked, and his Knight on c3 is vulnerable to attack. Here is a fun chess opening explorer - although note that you cannot explore past move 3.

Housekeeping note: When you see a {{clear}} that indicates the end of the section. Posting below it may make it difficult to see your comment as it will be a line of text very far away from the main body. medwards^talk Another note: When voting, could we use # instead of *<nowiki> ? It would make it easier to count the votes. This is really requested out of pure laziness, I know. ~~~~ {{clear}} == Sugggested Moves == <table> <tr> <td> {{Chess diagram|= | tright | Suggested Move |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd| |rd|kd||= 7 |pd|pd|pd| | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd|nd| | |= 5 | | | |pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl| | | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Castle Kingside: [http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Fabuloso_Friday_2/Fabuloso_Chess/Move5#Speculative_Move_-_O-O_.28Castle_Kingside.29 5. e3 O-O] }} </td> <td>{{Chess diagram|= | tright | Suggested Move |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd| | |rd|= 7 |pd|pd|pd| | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd| | | |= 5 | | | |pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl|nd| | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Pressure with Knight: [http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Fabuloso_Friday_2/Fabuloso_Chess/Move5#Speculative_Move_-_Ne4 5. e3 Ne4] }} </td> <td> {{Chess diagram|= | tright | Suggested Move |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd| | |rd|= 7 |pd|pd| | | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd|nd| | |= 5 | | |pd|pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl| | | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Late Tarrasch Defense: [http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Fabuloso_Friday_2/Fabuloso_Chess/Move5#c5 5. e3 c5] }} </td> </tr> </table> ==Speculative Move - O-O (Castle Kingside)== {{Chess diagram|= | tright | Speculative Move |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd| |rd|kd||= 7 |pd|pd|pd| | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd|nd| | |= 5 | | | |pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl| | | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Speculative Move: 5. e3 O-O }} *Unless he decides to trade pawns, castle. [[User:Muyfabuloso|<font color="#CC33CC"><b>muyfabuloso</b></font>]][[User talk:Muyfabuloso|<font color="#FF3399">^talk</font>]] 23:59, 28 June 2006 (PDT) *: I'd say let's see what he does first .. if he advances his bishop, then we should castle. If he doesn't make an offensive move, let's further develop. We don't want to castle to one side or the other until we establish how he's setting up his offensive. [[User:Brigade|<font color="#666666"><b><i>ßrigade</i></b></font>]][[User talk:Brigade|<font color="#FF3399">^rant</font>]] *:: Changed my mind .. let's not speculate on "what his move will be" in case he's reading through the wiki .. don't want to show our hand and help him avoid a fatal mistake. :-) ::*Yeah, probably not a good idea to mention things _before_ our move. Now that he has moved, I would advocate against castling. It seems a little too early, and there is more potential to get our pieces into play. -arc :::*It's too early to castle .. he can't place us into check so there's no rush. Better for us to gut him while we can (See Ne4 Suggestion below) :::* Speculating one move ahead isn't giving away much; it's probably impossible to have an intelligent discussion about the midgame without talking 5 moves ahead, let alone one. Besides, there's no way to predict what the community will vote on. Even if castle is the "correct" move (I'm not saying it is), people may want to take it in a different direction entirely through whimsy, incompetence, or even better strategy. Think about it this way: if he moved e3 in order to get us to castle, then we've manipulated him into doing something. There's a game-within-a-game here and talking about moves (or even providing false debate that he follows and gets confused by) might be the way to gain advantage. All that said, I won't post again like this, but I'd encourage other fabulosos to consider the option. [[User:Muyfabuloso|<font color="#CC33CC"><b>muyfabuloso</b></font>]][[User talk:Muyfabuloso|<font color="#FF3399">^talk</font>]] :::*Historically, castling in this position works better for black than pushing the knight... although, personally, I'm still in favor of pushing the knight. === Voting === Voting??? Is this like a prediction game...? :LoL .. no it just seems like some people put their vote ''in the discussion'' .. and people have forgotten to create a voting section for their official votes. Just being proactive. :-) * I vanna vote fur dis one, eh [[user:Nerfquark|Nerfquark]] {{clear}} ==Speculative Move - Ne4 == {{Chess diagram|= | tright | Speculative Move |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd| | |rd|= 7 |pd|pd|pd| | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd| | | |= 5 | | | |pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl|nd| | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Speculative Move: 5. e3 Ne4 }} Watch out! N to e4 and escalating pressure! *this places us at the offensive allowing us to develop more in later moves. --[[User:Funky citrus|Funky citrus]] 11:57, 29 June 2006 (PDT) *If we're trying to bleed him, this secures a knight-for-knight trade. Otherwise, it's pressure. *THIS is the move .. he'll be forced to respond defensively or suffer devastating losses. Anyone that knows chess theory, please just agree with me instead of specifically stating what our next move will be .. in case Ze's surfing the wiki .. :-) I know this might be asking a bit, but just TRUST ME on this one. Please. It'll hurt him .. BAD. [[User:Brigade|<font color="#666666"><b><i>ßrigade</i></b></font>]][[User talk:Brigade|<font color="#FF3399">^rant</font>]] 12:11, 29 June 2006 (PDT) **Someone very intelligently pointed out that playing out a game with intent to entrap the opponent isn't the soundest strategy. What's to stop Ze from playing out 2-3 turns out on his own, seeing the trap, and wasting our move? [[User:Medwards|<b>medwards</b>]][[User talk:Medwards|^talk]] ===Voting=== * YES! he moves the knight you get his queen ** Uh... His queen isn't capture-able by our knight in this scenario. (NOTE: '''my comment is not a vote''') [[User:Medwards|<b>medwards</b>]][[User talk:Medwards|^talk]] *** No, but this does set up a possible queen/rook fork a couple moves in. * THIS is the move. Trust me on this one. :-) [[User:Brigade|<font color="#666666"><b><i>ßrigade</i></b></font>]][[User talk:Brigade|<font color="#FF3399">^rant</font>]] 12:15, 29 June 2006 (PDT) * Absolutely! Victory will be ours.--[[User:SirPentor|SirPentor]] 12:19, 29 June 2006 (PDT) * Ne4 for the win! * VOTE - starts Ze a'running for safety. Me likey. -Mike * The voices in my head tell me this is the like best move. J * Vote * Vote - sepll cehck *VOTE - His only power-pieces on the board are the knights, and they dont make a line of czech. I would suggest holding off on the castling, and drawing more of his pieces to our queens side of the board. His pawn-move says thats where he is putting his bishop. Its always a good thing to get our pieces into action when he isnt getting his pieces into action. AnonHC {{clear}} ==c5== {{Chess diagram flip|= | tright | Late Tarrasch Defense - Our POV |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd| | |rd|= 7 |pd|pd| | | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd|nd| | |= 5 | | |pd|pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl| | | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Speculative Move: 5. e3 c5 }} {{Chess diagram |= | tright | Late Tarrasch Defense - Standard POV |= 8 |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd| | |rd|= 7 |pd|pd| | | |pd|pd|pd|= 6 | | | | |pd|nd| | |= 5 | | |pd|pd| | | | |= 4 | |bd|pl|pl| | | | |= 3 | | |nl| |pl|nl| | |= 2 |pl|pl| | | |pl|pl|pl|= 1 |rl| |bl|ql|kl|bl| |rl|= a b c d e f g h | Speculative Move: 5. e3 c5 }} *Kind of a late-point Tarrasch Defense idea. I like the idea of pushing the knight in, but I'd like to see some more pieces supporting the middle before we go hard-charging in. Thoughts? [[User:Medwards|<b>medwards</b>]][[User talk:Medwards|^talk]] **Uh .. could you turn the board around? Kindof makes it a bit confusing. ***Done. They're both there, I kind of like seeing things from our POV [[User:Medwards|<b>medwards</b>]][[User talk:Medwards|^talk]] ===Voting=== '''VOTE''' by [[User:Mayorcj|<font color="#FF6600"><b>mayorcj</b></font>]][[User talk:Mayorcj|<font color="#0000CC">^SR</font>]]: I think this is the best way to go. We need more support before we go in for a strike. If we go through with the "trap" as mentioned with the Knight advancement we'll only be setting up for an exchange that will leave us with no forward momentum. Let Ze make first strike so that he might suffer doubly in his blunders. {{clear}}