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*no idea if this works, but it allows our Queen to move forward a5 to support the bishop (which makes a3 a meaningless threat because he'd lose his rook.) *no idea if this works, but it allows our Queen to move forward a5 to support the bishop (which makes a3 a meaningless threat because he'd lose his rook.)
* I really think this is the best move available. It doesn't block the Nc6 move, doesn't leave us on the wrong end of an exchange, and puts us in an aggresive yet defensible position. Freeing up the queen works fine for more options later. --[[User:Salamander|Salamander]] 12:48, 30 June 2006 (PDT) * I really think this is the best move available. It doesn't block the Nc6 move, doesn't leave us on the wrong end of an exchange, and puts us in an aggresive yet defensible position. Freeing up the queen works fine for more options later. --[[User:Salamander|Salamander]] 12:48, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
- +*Mos Def the best move available, regardless of what we do with the queen. But do we really want to comitt her to protecting a bishop on the rim? Seems a bit of a waste. PS i am not good at chess. [[User:Wophugus|<b>wophugus</b>]]
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detailed history | current 3d view
Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

Humble Request

In the past 24 hours, it has been suggested that only those who pledge towards the losing pool should vote, I disagree with this. However, I do not think it is too much to ask that anyone who does vote SIGN their vote with ~~~~. If you don't have a registered account, it takes 30 seconds and is entirely worth the time. It makes it easier to carry on conversations with everyone else about the moves and will quiet any doubters of unfair voting practice. --mayorcjSR 21:43, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

  • Cut and paste the following to vote for a section:
# '''VOTE''' by ~~~~: add a comment! 

Can we give me a bit to copy all the suggested moves in from the Move 5 Challange? --Medwards

Arrogant request

Fabulosos, there is a tendency of moves going the way ßrigade is pushing. While he is a very good chess player, he too can make a serious mistake and it is a bit disturbing that so few people challange him. I'm going away for a few weeks now and I wish all of you the best of luck! Yes, it's good to listen to what experts like ßrigade has said, but please vote as late as possible after reading what other people have said as well. --gelbitalk 06:45, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

'going away?' to somewhere they don't have computers?! (sniff)
Yes, something like a two week vacation, without my laptop :O --gelbitalk 07:15, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
  • gelbi has proposed an idea that voting only be allowed between 9pm and midnight of the day of the voting. The point would be to allow ideas to be fleshed out before bandwagon hopping commences. I believe this should be seriously considered:debate here - arcblah
  • Let's try it tonight and see how things go. If you absolutely have to vote earlier, leave your vote on the ARTICLE page, and we can see how many would be affected, otherwise, I suggest opening the vote at 8pm ET, 5pm PT.
  • AFTERTHOUGHT ITS FRIDAY! No show Saturday or Sunday! So now we really don't need to worry about it. Let's just open the voting Sunday at Noon ET!
  • Actually in the interest of fairness we should probably make it Saturday midnight. That way both sides get the same amount of time to think about moves over the weekend. Plus it'll keep the debate focused here. muyfabulosotalk 12:11, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Yeah, we can decide not to implement it today. I think maybe next monday we should go forward with it, IF that is the general consensus.

Voting Closed until Sunday Noon ET

Strategy Discussion

Current board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
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Last move: 6. Qc2

Contents


Our Pawn at d5 is still being threatened by the pawn at c4, but it is protected by pawn at e6. The c3 knight no longer threatens d5, as our b4 Bishop has it pinned to his king. We have also advanced our Knight to f3 in preparation to possibly assault Ze's position. Please take the time to familiarize yourself with some common middlegame tactics as well.

Also, please don't be too hesitant to suggest your own move in this section. Just use * to begin a line and add your idea, even if you aren't familiar with notation, or don't feel comfortable updating the boards/suggestions yourself, there are plenty of us that will be more than willing to set them up for you (and keep everything organized) ßrigaderant

  • Guys, we are getting too agressive. What are we going to do with the horse & bish? Look 4 moves down that chain. What are we really going to do, besides trading a bish and a knight for a bish and a knight, and giving away the center? Its as bad to be overdefensive as it is to be over aggressive. This isnt endgame yet, and we should NOT play it like it is, or it will be our endgame. We have done a fair opening game. We are transitioning to midgame.... We dont get the wedding night until after the wedding day... Potential Ze moves: Q-A4, P-C5, K-e5(fork setup). Potential Fab moves(not in order): Q-d6 (def B), Q-d7 (def vs. p), K-C6 (def B), B-D2(def vs. Q), P-B6(open B, def vs p). Moves for Fabs to avoid K-A6(bish victim), KxC3(we kill our own pin), BxC3(losing trade), Q-G5orH4 (Giving away the queen). AnonHC

The threats from Ze


Ze Attack Plan
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_26.png
Sketch of the main threat.

The first thing you should ask in Chess is "What is my opponent trying to do". Let's try to draw up the main attack plan and treaths that face us in this position. That might explain why in the current situations some defensive moves like castling and solidifying the knight by playing f5 are quite important.

  • Argh, this is my last edit... The sketch is not the only threat, maybe someone can remove this comment and fill this section with some more analysis of the current position, what is happening in the left hand side of the board, the move a3 is quite likely from Ze... --gelbitalk 11:56, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
    • Double-argh, I just can't stop... no, I just found a way to formulate what's happening on the queenside. The move a3 forces us to either exchange bishop for knight and after that (and then the move Ba3 prevents us from castling for a while -- maybe not that big of a deal, I don't know). If we don't exchange we are forced to move the bishop and then that relieves the pin from the knight and the d5 pawn needs further support by for example c6, which is why playing c5 might be dangerous. Ok, hope it helps, and I really trust you guys, I do! --gelbitalk 12:07, 30 June 2006 (PDT)


Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_26.png
Challange Line: 6. Qc2 Nxc3
Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Strike with Pawn: 6. Qc2 Pxc4
Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Tarrasch Defense: 6. Qc2 c5
Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_26.png
Castle Kingside: 6. Qc2 O-O
Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_26.png
Advance Pawn/Support Knight 6. Qc2 f5
Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Develop the Knight: 6. Qc2 Nc6
Suggested Move
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Knight for a Bishop: 6. Qc2 Bxc3


Nxc3

Challange Line
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
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Suggested move: Qc2 Nxc3

This line was analyzed during Move 5. Perhaps worth further examination. medwardstalk

Well, maybe I'm missing something, I'll readily admit I'm not a chess master, but this seems like trading a knight and bishop in exchange for a knight and a pawn. Hmmm, I don't think that sounds so good. --Salamander 12:36, 30 June 2006 (PDT)


Nc6

Develop the Knight
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested move: 6. Qc2 Nc6


Nb6 by 66.47.159.86 (aka Mike): I know nothing about playing chess professionally. This just occurred to me, and it would help us out with ze's pawn buildup. Feel free to shoot this down at will.

  • Nb6 isn't possible...do you mean Nc6?
    • I'm going to assume he meant Nc6 until told otherwise medwardstalk
  • I think this clusterfucks the queenside development and thus helps him more than us.
  • I agree... Ick --Salamander 12:40, 30 June 2006 (PDT)


Pxc4

Strike with Pawn
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
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Last move: 6. Qc2 Pxc4

Honestly, I think this is a terrible approach as the pawn is left unsupported. But I could be wrong. medwardstalk

  • Also it leaves our knight vulnerable -Towline
  • Yes, this give ze a knight for free.
  • this allows Qxe4. this move is bad.


c5

Tarrasch Defense
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
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Suggested move: 6. Qc2 c5

Just tossing this line out from last move. medwardstalk

  • no idea if this works, but it allows our Queen to move forward a5 to support the bishop (which makes a3 a meaningless threat because he'd lose his rook.)
  • I really think this is the best move available. It doesn't block the Nc6 move, doesn't leave us on the wrong end of an exchange, and puts us in an aggresive yet defensible position. Freeing up the queen works fine for more options later. --Salamander 12:48, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Mos Def the best move available, regardless of what we do with the queen. But do we really want to comitt her to protecting a bishop on the rim? Seems a bit of a waste. PS i am not good at chess. wophugus


c4

Tarrasch Defense
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
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Suggested move: 6. Qc2 c4

still frees up a line for the Queen, but gives us slightly better pawn development.

  • Someone in Move5 pointed out that this keeps us from doing Nc6 in a pinch. I have to admit that I agree with their evaluation that this is a bad thing (tm) medwardstalk
  • well we still have Nd7 and Na6 if we need to get the knight out of there.208.60.177.45


O-O

Tarrasch Defense
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested move: 6. Qc2 O-O

Kingside castle

  • We have to watch out for Q and B attacks on h7 if we do this


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