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The Duke 05-30-2007 06:48 PM

Cindy Sheehan Calls it Quits
 
That’s right, our Chavez loving Progressive left symbol of absolute moral authority is finally calling it quits. It’s over and out, Johnny uh er I mean Cindy .


In another one of her whiny Daily Kos post suffering from egregious thesaurus abuse no less, , Cindy Sheehan continues to say that her son died for nothing,and now says that the anti-war movement is full of egomaniacs and lunatics (as if I never knew that one ) , and now all her dreams have been shattered. Daily Kos: ‘Good Riddance Attention Whore’.

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The most devastating conclusion that I reached this morning, however, was that Casey did indeed die for nothing. His precious lifeblood drained out in a country far away from his family who loves him, killed by his own country which is beholden to and run by a war machine that even controls what we think. I have tried every since he died to make his sacrifice meaningful. Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives. It is so painful to me to know that I bought into this system for so many years and Casey paid the price for that allegiance. I failed my boy and that hurts the most.

I have also tried to work within a peace movement that often puts personal egos above peace and human life. This group won’t work with that group; he won’t attend an event if she is going to be there; and why does Cindy Sheehan get all the attention anyway? It is hard to work for peace when the very movement that is named after it has so many divisions. ...

I am going to take whatever I have left and go home. I am going to go home and be a mother to my surviving children and try to regain some of what I have lost. I will try to maintain and nurture some very positive relationships that I have found in the journey that I was forced into when Casey died and try to repair some of the ones that have fallen apart since I began this single-minded crusade to try and change a paradigm that is now, I am afraid, carved in immovable, unbendable and rigidly mendacious marble. ( uh right ....Shall we look that one up ? .ed)
Camp Casey has served its purpose. It’s for sale. Anyone want to buy five beautiful acres in Crawford , Texas ? I will consider any reasonable offer. I hear George Bush will be moving out soon, too...which makes the property even more valuable.

This is my resignation letter as the “face” of the American anti-war movement. This is not my “Checkers” moment, because I will never give up trying to help people in the world who are harmed by the empire of the good old US of A, but I am finished working in, or outside of this system. This system forcefully resists being helped and eats up the people who try to help it. I am getting out before it totally consumes me or anymore people that I love and the rest of my resources.

Good-bye America ...you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can’t make you be that country unless you want it.

It’s up to you now.
Since she clearly dislikes the US of A , maybe Cindy should consider moving down to Venezuela ....She wouldn't have to be bothered with mastering the English language there, and besides Chavez would greet her with open arms and a smooch on the cheek , Why now we hear it's even raining rubber bullets and Tear Gas on all the TV lovers down there ! :p

Brynn 05-30-2007 07:17 PM

That's right. Keep kicking her. Does it feel good? Whoops, there's a spot on the side of her face you didn't grind your heel into - better get it.

Stephi_B 05-31-2007 08:18 AM

Heya Duke
 
Honestly, I wouldn't know of Cindy Sheehan but for your posts @ ICQ and now here... I know there are many people against Iraq war in the US, but it doesn't come across as a strong peace movement like it was with Vietnam (at least from Euro-perspective, Americans here are invited to fill me in).

Venezuela: Well Chavez, is totally en vogue with turning his announced 21st century socialism (fear we'll have to wait till 22nd century for real cool socialism) into 20th century Stalinism. Authoritarianism and/or populism are THE thing on the political catwalks worldwide... Take a peek at Russia (where not only gay activists are beaten up by police), Poland (where after Teletubbies, miniskirts, abortions after rape and incest are in discussion for a ban), (semi-)officially accepted racism, antisemitism, anticyganism etc. flourishing in many places and so on... not to mention states like Saudi-Arabia, North Korea, Sudan, China, Iran, Myanmar, Pakistan, Belarus, Cuba, Syria, the 3 -stan countries of Central Asia, Singapore, Egypt, where (ultra-)authoritarianism is quite established since a while.

Off-topic: How do you like Sarkozy's style up to now? Concerning that beer bet - I'd like Jever! :p :)

The Duke 05-31-2007 12:28 PM

Hiya Stephie
 
Well I would call the recurring palpitations from those countries growing pains , if you look elsewhere , perhaps in the US you will see that no one is making noise about some idiotic kiddy show under the guise of gender awareness .

When it comes to Teletubbies , I prefer the word imbecilic as the nomer for the show .

I mean come on here , beings with television sets where their bellybutton should be ?

If you ask me I don't think we have to worry about the teletubbies turning our children into homosexuals , after watching that tripe they will be too idiotic to even think about their sexual preferences ....lol

Well Chavez is becoming rather well experienced at shooting his own people ...he's a paper Castro ..nothing more , nothing less .

I dont know if communism or even Stalinism is the vogue , they always tend to kill their own just before they break down and hit skidrow ....remember the mess that was left behind by the Soviets , you should know ..the stinking sweat shops , the terrible disorder , and environmental catastrophes they left as their legacy .

I still like Regan , he at least had the balls to tell the USSR to tear that wall down !~ :)


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Originally Posted by Stephi_B (Post 346493)
Honestly, I wouldn't know of Cindy Sheehan but for your posts @ ICQ and now here... I know there are many people against Iraq war in the US, but it doesn't come across as a strong peace movement like it was with Vietnam (at least from Euro-perspective, Americans here are invited to fill me in).

Venezuela: Well Chavez, is totally en vogue with turning his announced 21st century socialism (fear we'll have to wait till 22nd century for real cool socialism) into 20th century Stalinism. Authoritarianism and/or populism are THE thing on the political catwalks worldwide... Take a peek at Russia (where not only gay activists are beaten up by police), Poland (where after Teletubbies, miniskirts, abortions after rape and incest are in discussion for a ban), (semi-)officially accepted racism, antisemitism, anticyganism etc. flourishing in many places and so on... not to mention states like Saudi-Arabia, North Korea, Sudan, China, Iran, Myanmar, Pakistan, Belarus, Cuba, Syria, the 3 -stan countries of Central Asia, Singapore, Egypt, where (ultra-)authoritarianism is quite established since a while.

Off-topic: How do you like Sarkozy's style up to now? Concerning that beer bet - I'd like Jever! :p :)


The Duke 05-31-2007 12:56 PM

Brynn
 
Actually Brynn, Cindy has done an excellent job of kicking herself in the arse , and disgracing her son .

When She made kissy,kissy with Chavez she sealed her fate , it was just a matter of time before her defamatory anti American behaviour got the better of her .

Now she has to live with it the rest of her miserable life ..and believe me Cindy's life will be miserable from here on in .

Oh well thats life in big city politics !

Maybe you would like to take up her torch ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Brynn (Post 346402)
That's right. Keep kicking her. Does it feel good? Whoops, there's a spot on the side of her face you didn't grind your heel into - better get it.


Stephi_B 06-01-2007 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 346504)
Well I would call the recurring palpitations from those countries growing pains , if you look elsewhere , perhaps in the US you will see that no one is making noise about some idiotic kiddy show under the guise of gender awareness .

Didn't say a word on the US, now did I? :) In the States you've got the highest density of Bible whackos in our so-called Western world... BUT they ain't have close as much say than currently in Poland were they're needed by the twins for majority, so there's no need for unnecessary America bashing, which is very boring anyways ;) It's even more boring when one sees that not only the USA, but Germany, Netherlands, etc and so on are either allied or at least very friendly with many states on that list.
But you see in this light that it's completely irrelevant when an American peace activist, scarcely known widely outside America, goes to see and praise Senor Chavez, when George W, Tony, Angie and Co. go to see and praise King Abdullah of S.A. or arrange business / 'war against terror' deals for their countries, so that for example Karimov ("president", ie.autocrat of Uzbekistan) might soon be able to let make a new gold statue of himself...

***

So you absolutely can't stand them Teletubbies - that came through kinda... ;) Chill this are only TV characters... no terrorists, no danger for national security & stuff :D

***

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 346504)
I dont know if communism or even Stalinism is the vogue

I said authoritarianism and populism, which indeed can dress as communism/Stalinism, but also as (ultra)nationalism/fascism or Islamism, or weird mixes of leftwing and rightwing (Islamism is rightwing btw) political flavours. I imagine politics as circle, where extreme leftwing and rightwing meet at the bottom - worst case scenario of a govt - and moderate left and right meet at the top - ideal scenario. In both bottom and top regions traditional right or left attitudes have vanished and formed kinda an alloy, like amalgam.

But that
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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 346504)
they always tend to kill their own just before they break down and hit skidrow ....
(...)

is absolutely true for authoritarian regimes, no matter what colour they paint themselves.

I still like tovarishch Mikhail Gorbachyov, because he made it possible for us Germans to tear down that wall! :)
(Mr. "Star Wars" Reagan I always thought quite a sympatico uncle when I saw him on telly as a kid- but do you really think that Gorbi did what he did just because of Reagan's balls? ;) I don't. But of course that all belongs to the American mythos of "winning the Cold war" and I don't wanna take away your delight, proudness and all :) - BUT actually you're still fighting it, against mistakes Reagan and predecessors made by 'allying with Lucifer against Satan'...)

zenbabe 06-02-2007 09:32 PM

At least she has the balls to protest and show her outright contempt for this fvcked up war. What moves have you made to try and stop it except bitch about it?

Brynn 06-03-2007 08:17 PM

Cindy Sheehan is a mother grieving the still recent loss of her son. I don't care what kind of ass anyone makes of themselves in the course of that unbearable, nightmarish transition. Have some compassion, for Christ's sake. It's obvious you no nothing of that kind of loss.
The war in Iraq is a disaster on every possible level. There is no way around that. At least she's been a courageous voice for what should be painfully obvious to all. I haven't followed her actions in the last year, and I don't care. She gets a free ride in my book, and speaks for many voiceless families coping with loss.

And, blow me down, but I actually agree completely with Duke about Chavez, much as I hate to admit that i'm actually reading these rantings. My best friend, a venuzuelan, confirms all.

House,M.D. 06-03-2007 10:02 PM

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And, blow me down, but I actually agree completely with Duke about Chavez, much as I hate to admit that i'm actually reading these rantings. My best friend, a venuzuelan, confirms all.
I wouldn't worry about him being right. You post enough, you're bound to get lucky once in a while. This was his once.

The Duke 06-04-2007 12:31 PM

Whats up Doc ?
 
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Originally Posted by House,M.D. (Post 346936)
I wouldn't worry about him being right. You post enough, you're bound to get lucky once in a while. This was his once.


I'm sure you will find that I have posted too many spot on threads in the past ....not only here but elsewhere....it's just how you look at it ...and where you find them

I don't play word games Doc ,but there is this undeniable thing called the truth and for most it is painful indeed .

as I have always intended ......because "Denial" is not a river down in South America.

May I suggest that you prescribe more aspirin for your patients who can't handle the headpains from the sudden return to reality .....

and naturally , the Horse pills will do just fine for the ever flapping disbelieving moonbats who want nothing more than shoot the messenger, and dominate free speech.

Luck ? Nah , It's just research pal !
:D

H

The Duke 06-04-2007 12:53 PM

Oh Brynn
 
It comes to a point where one is beyond making an ass of themselves , and they begin to cast ridiculous aspersions upon others , such as Ms. Sheehan has done in the past .

My heart goes out to the military families who have lost their loved ones , These are the same love ones that have been called terrorists and wholly equivocated as criminals by Ms Sheehan .


Cindy Sheehan was a Pawn in a cruel game of Leftwing propaganda , maybe she just realized it recently , and has seen the toll it has taken on her as a limited person.

I'm sorry but I can't pity any stupid person who allows themselves to be taken in and used by the unscrupulous leftist agents of anarchy.

I do have much apathy for Cindy though ....I think she learned her lesson ..better late than never. Maybe she will find the real truth one day ...but that is of no consequence because despite everything she attempted , she achieved absolutely nothing .

I desire more than ever to stop all the wars , and my scope is to disclose the real war behind this war on terror, the islamofacist jihadist war that is being waged against you and I and everyone who may not be Islamic this very minute .

Of course you don't have to believe me about this , just pick up a copy of the Quran , any Quran and start reading the Suras 2 through 9 and know that if you don't submit to Islam you will be deemed an infidel and will eventually suffer under their sword .

this is the war they believe in , not the war I believe in ...I don't even believe in fighting a war to begin with .

I totally believe in preservation of humanity.

Because of this I also don't believe in being nothing more than the sacrificial goat awaiting to be slaughtered by religious fanatics who's religious values encompass total hatred , immoral carnage ,and discrimination toward ALL non believers.

Do you believe in Alah Brynn , Do you believe in Muhammed and Islam ?

You should know by now that I don't even subscribe to any religion whatsoever , I go by what my eyes see ....

I see Christians and Jews everyday saying " I will Die for my Beliefs " which is perfectly okay with me as long as they don't plan on taking any innocent people with them .

and I see Islamics everyday who are saying " You Will Die for My Beliefs" and thats where I draw a line in the sand and brandish my pen which is far mightier than their sword.


Do you understand this ? :cool:





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Originally Posted by Brynn (Post 346933)
Cindy Sheehan is a mother grieving the still recent loss of her son. I don't care what kind of ass anyone makes of themselves in the course of that unbearable, nightmarish transition. Have some compassion, for Christ's sake. It's obvious you no nothing of that kind of loss.
The war in Iraq is a disaster on every possible level. There is no way around that. At least she's been a courageous voice for what should be painfully obvious to all. I haven't followed her actions in the last year, and I don't care. She gets a free ride in my book, and speaks for many voiceless families coping with loss.

And, blow me down, but I actually agree completely with Duke about Chavez, much as I hate to admit that i'm actually reading these rantings. My best friend, a venuzuelan, confirms all.


The Duke 06-04-2007 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephi_B (Post 346589)
I still like tovarishch Mikhail Gorbachyov, because he made it possible for us Germans to tear down that wall! :)
(Mr. "Star Wars" Reagan I always thought quite a sympatico uncle when I saw him on telly as a kid- but do you really think that Gorbi did what he did just because of Reagan's balls? ;) I don't. But of course that all belongs to the American mythos of "winning the Cold war" and I don't wanna take away your delight, proudness and all :) - BUT actually you're still fighting it, against mistakes Reagan and predecessors made by 'allying with Lucifer against Satan'...)

Mythos ?

Stephie you should know better , are you still standing on a bread line today Babe ?

there is no mythos about the cold war , it was an economic war that brought the Soviet Union to the poor house ...and the USA was only the cab driver delivering them to their self prescribed destination.

Yes thats right sweetie Ronny Raygun-(zap) worked for Yellow Cab .....and Drove Gorby downtown to skid row for a tour that Gorby didn't like .

and Reganomics was partly the coup de grace' that put the USSR under for the final time ....thats no mythos sweetie , just look it up if you don't believe me .;)

Stephi_B 06-04-2007 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347008)
Mythos ?

Stephie you should know better , are you still standing on a bread line today Babe ?

there is no mythos about the cold war , it was an economic war that brought the Soviet Union to the poor house ...and the USA was only the cab driver delivering them to their self prescribed destination.

Yes thats right sweetie Ronny Raygun-(zap) worked for Yellow Cab .....and Drove Gorby downtown to skid row for a tour that Gorby didn't like .

and Reganomics was partly the coup de grace' that put the USSR under for the final time ....thats no mythos sweetie , just look it up if you don't believe me .;)

How often exactly did we had that discussion now? (Btw, I never stood in any bread line as an original West German, East Germans neither did, they stood in lines for exotic fruits and other not-life-essential goods - what you mean sounds more like Ceauşescu's Romania)

I repeat: The Cold War (am speaking not in economic terms and you know that) is not yet won - watch the news. Al Quaida & Co. are the direct product of American/Western politics pre-1989.

You do some reading on Gorbi! :)

House,M.D. 06-04-2007 04:06 PM

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Guess I Won't Have Mama Moonbat to Kick Around Anymore
Why do you need her, or anyone else, to kick around?

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and naturally , the Horse pills will do just fine for the ever flapping disbelieving moonbats who want nothing more than shoot the messenger, and dominate free speech
And your idea of exercising free speech is to name call and demean others? Or are you simply a bully in search of a fight?

The Duke 06-05-2007 01:01 AM

Doctor Defensive
 
Do you always take everything you read literally ?

As I told another user recently "I don't even need to kick Sheehan around , she did a very good job of that herself ."

So I called someone a name , I'm sure you will please tell me exactly who that was ....or are you desperately hoping that I go over to the use of personal derogatives ?



Ohh the devastation , you must be suffering :p

The Duke 06-05-2007 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephi_B (Post 347016)
How often exactly did we had that discussion now? (Btw, I never stood in any bread line as an original West German, East Germans neither did, they stood in lines for exotic fruits and other not-life-essential goods - what you mean sounds more like Ceauşescu's Romania)

I repeat: The Cold War (am speaking not in economic terms and you know that) is not yet won - watch the news. Al Quaida & Co. are the direct product of American/Western politics pre-1989.

You do some reading on Gorbi! :)

Stephie ,

Thats a known .....according to the Leftists the USSR just went on vacation .

Thats why we have all those glowing socialist NGO's like Greenpeace , Amnesty International , and many other neo Communist Organisations .

Why Heck , a loyal Stalinist has got to have something to do while waiting for a reconstruction.

Don't worry though , the knock out blow is coming .....just remember well that people can't survive by eating rocks !

Re: North Korea ...

Have you had some Chinese Food Lately ? :)

Stephi_B 06-05-2007 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347143)
Stephie ,

Thats a known .....according to the Leftists the USSR just went on vacation .

Who are such leftists, differentiate please! :) But you see although Russia has a capitalist economy (in some respects even more capitalist than the US), Putin is just unfolding Soviet-governance-style deluxe...

In my personal opinion both pure communism and pure capitalism are failed models and extremely destructive for human life and ethical development. Democratic, free-market socialism (i.e. combine the best of both extremes) would be it! :cool:

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347143)
Thats why we have all those glowing socialist NGO's like Greenpeace , Amnesty International , and many other neo Communist Organisations .

1. You throw around too loosely with 'communism/communist' and 'socialism/socialist'. But you're in best company: Chavez and all gone and existing communist regimes who dubbed themselves 'socialist' (or even 'democratic' like the GDR, ha ha ha "democratic"...)

2. Don't mess with AI, they are doing excellent work! :mad:

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347143)
Why Heck , a loyal Stalinist has got to have something to do while waiting for a reconstruction.

Don't worry though , the knock out blow is coming .....just remember well that people can't survive by eating rocks !

Re: North Korea ...

Have you had some Chinese Food Lately ? :)

Your commie-paranoia in all honours (a bit paranoia is healthy like most things in small quantities, only too much is dangerous...), but North Korea is an extreme case (and the moment China is pissed off enough and let's the Dear Leader fall this last existing stone-age communism will fall to pieces).

And I repeat: Afghanistan war #1 (which right next to the armament race was the reason the USSR died when it did), USA stoutly fighting communism in a proxy war and thereby allying+supporting the very same sort of people that not two decades later crashed planes in WTC and Pentagon. What I am saying is: Better think twice, thrice who is the worst 'evil' and if it's really wise to walk side by side with the perceived 'lesser evil'. Re: Pakistan (got the bomb tested & ready to use plus a leader that by pissing of his countrymen drives them into the arms of Islamists; and remember that today's Taliban/al-Qaida ideology was forged in Afghan refugee camps in Pakistan), Re: S.A. and Egypt (*)(just like in Pakistan, a repressive govt that drives people in the Islamist camp; and remember that the traditional Islamism upon which the modern one roots, just stems from these two countries) whom you wanna supply with (civil) nuclear technology.

[edit: (*) a.k.a. the "Sunni axis" raised as counterweight to Shia Iran]

Yeah, Chinese food, had it on Saturday last time. Indian foods excellent either. Asian food in general. Not unlikely that in 20 years Chinese and Indian culture has the same global impact than American-European one has today. Not a bad prospect, or? :)

Audreyvgs 06-05-2007 11:58 AM

CaptainAmerican Duke makes me Puke
His loathing and hatred no fluke
waste-o-mind set in stone
Lets leave him alone
While he sits and he works on his nuke.

Brynn 06-05-2007 10:11 PM

Duke -
I wrote this in a long post a few days ago (before I could submit it I got kicked off the server and the computer ended the session abruptly) but it's worth repeating: I apologize for my comment about you obviously having no experience with the kind of loss that people like Sheehan have gone through - no matter how vigorously I may disagree with you, that kind of remark is uncivil and unnecessarily personal.

Audreyvgs 06-05-2007 11:19 PM

Why in the world would you apologize to this f-tard? It somehow diminishes your power in life if you waste those precious apologies on ape men. Besides,
if you believe what you say, you have no reason to apologize.

WALK AWAY FROM THE THREADDDDDDD

The Duke 06-06-2007 01:16 AM

Okay Doc Heres one for you
 
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Originally Posted by House,M.D. (Post 347038)
And your idea of exercising free speech is to name call and demean others? Or are you simply a bully in search of a fight?


Why don't you prescribe that same thing to this person ?

I have no Idea who they are , but they are screaming out for your attentions :


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Audreyvgs
Mona Laughs




Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Dissidence
Posts: 5,322 Why in the world would you apologize to this f-tard? It somehow diminishes your power in life if you waste those precious apologies on ape men. Besides,
if you believe what you say, you have no reason to apologize.

WALK AWAY FROM THE THREADDDDDDD
Notice how this vile person just couldn't resist walking away from the thread themselves , and even went to the trouble to leave a wonderful word of hope ?

It's Clearly a sign of chronic Liberal disease !

Ready to Operate ? LMAO

:D

The Duke 06-06-2007 01:20 AM

Brynn
 
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Originally Posted by Brynn (Post 347239)
Duke -
I wrote this in a long post a few days ago (before I could submit it I got kicked off the server and the computer ended the session abruptly) but it's worth repeating: I apologize for my comment about you obviously having no experience with the kind of loss that people like Sheehan have gone through - no matter how vigorously I may disagree with you, that kind of remark is uncivil and unnecessarily personal.

Thats quite okay Brynn , I have to run to work now , I'll read it when I get back ..promise .

I appologize for initially rubbing you the wrong way too !
:o

Brynn 06-06-2007 02:36 AM

Audrey, although I agree with you about how annoying it can be in general to deal with ill-mannered people anywhere, I feel it takes more personal power to take responsibility for one's mistakes than not to. I can't ask this guy to be civil if I lose my temper and not be civil myself. Apologies aren't at all precious - they cost absolutely nothing.
I stand by what I said. How I said it is why I apologize.
I'm walking away from the thread because I'm intractable on the subject, and I made my point. Apologizing for making that point in a way that negated my own self-respect is entirely appropriate for me.

The Duke 06-06-2007 12:48 PM

Brynn
 
It is Audrey who is being highly uncivilized , disrespectful , and calling names here .

I don't remember calling anyone here these kind of names , in fact have been patient and enduring of all the hatred and insinuation.

There is nothing to be ashamed of or apologetic for , you were never as bad as Audrey , in Fact IMHO it's Audrey who owes the entire board an appology .

She's acting like a complete troll .


I didn't come here to agree with everyone , and if in some ways people here do agree than great , but if they disagree , So what !

Cest le Vie , thats life ...and if everyone had the same outlook what a boring life that would be.


There are people who insist that they are always correct ....those who insist that you have to agree with their every position , and there are those who are in bad need of a large dose of ExLax

Thank you kindly for being human and having a heart , and showing me that you aren't either rude , nor irresponsible .....While we may never agree on many things , you still have my total respect .:o

Audreyvgs 06-06-2007 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347315)

... but if they disagree , So what ! ...

Cest le Vie , thats life ...and if everyone had the same outlook what a boring life that would be.

...There are people who insist that they are always correct ....


I think I just threw up a little in my throat.

madasacutsnake 06-07-2007 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347007)
and I see Islamics everyday who are saying " You Will Die for My Beliefs" and thats where I draw a line in the sand and brandish my pen which is far mightier than their sword.

Duke, this is interesting. Do you consider that perhaps politics and economics play a part in eastern dissatisfaction with the West? And that possibly jihadism is a tool to manipulate that dissatisfaction for political and economic gain?

I have always found it hard to swallow that a group of prosperous and enfranchised people suddenly decide that it would be a great idea to pop out and kill some people from another religion. After all, there's plenty of stuff about smoting and stoning in the Bible and generally western people dont feel the need to smote and stone.

Audreyvgs 06-07-2007 11:03 AM

He overrates his pen.

The Duke 06-07-2007 02:43 PM

in Consideration of:
 
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Originally Posted by madasacutsnake (Post 347366)
Duke, this is interesting. Do you consider that perhaps politics and economics play a part in eastern dissatisfaction with the West? And that possibly jihadism is a tool to manipulate that dissatisfaction for political and economic gain?

I have always found it hard to swallow that a group of prosperous and enfranchised people suddenly decide that it would be a great idea to pop out and kill some people from another religion. After all, there's plenty of stuff about smoting and stoning in the Bible and generally western people dont feel the need to smote and stone.

I don't think it's the politics , because in most of the hard line Islamic countries the Mullah is the boss ..he doesn't get elected by people , he appoints himself in the name of Alah ...

I do consider the fact that most of these countries are dirt poor , under-educated and stressed out by various factors of tyranny and serfdom .

You see uneducated people will always allow others who appoint themselves to think and act for them , this syndrome of responsibility by proxy grows from a weak social system where higher education takes a back seat to superstition and myths.


What we have here are in the west are a group , or shall we say a society of hard working , highly educated enfranchised people who are busily debating about whether they should defend themselves from an onslaught by a group of bloodthirsty Disenfrachised Cro-Magnons who's belief is that their way is the only way , and we accomodate them about this in lieu to actually planning a solid defense first and offering them our help second .

You may not know this but I Coach Footbal ,and having been among the Champs , I came to find out at an early stage that indeed the best offense is a very good and integer Defense .

Of course this debate can be seen in many different ways , as it takes place everywhere in the west.

This unwanted , and unpopular War for example was not something just suddenly decided , but grew out of repeated acts of failed diplomacy spanning six US administrations Carter's was the administration that broke the camels back.

The same culture or civilization if you want to call it that , is attempting to destroy our Democracy.
They will not listen to any form of reason coming from us , nor will they make any concessions or compromises to allow for our two civilizations of alter beliefs to coincide in any form of peace , unless that peace means that we don the yoke , pay Jizyah and become their infidel slaves .

Surely there is plenty of smite and smote in the old bible (Old Testament ), but when was the last time you heard any Christian , or preacher , or even the Pope holler "Glory Be to God let's cut off all their heads and drink their blood for they are no good and do not believe as we do." ?

Jesus never ever said that , in fact he said exactly the opposite ....

Only I am sorry to say , Jesus is not here to save us now ....He gave us the Tools ....of which I am 100% convinced he learned his philosophies under the tutelage of the Confucions..No I think we are going to have to come together as one western world and think and act our way through this ...

THere is no Kiss and Make up coming from Usama ben Ladin ,and the Mullahs , so the choices are extremely limited to us !


I say Confront them , tell them who we are , what we stand for , and that we aren't going to change for them ..they on the other do not have to change for us .

Simply put, " all violence from all sides must be condemned and stopped , but it takes two to tango , nobody will be allowed to dance alone at this contest.

We may have to reform our view of Islam indeed , and Islam will certainly have to reform their view of the rest of the world , the non Islamic world !

PS my wife called me to the table , so I pubbed it and corrected it later ,,hope you don't mind this ! ;)

House,M.D. 06-07-2007 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347269)
Why don't you prescribe that same thing to this person ?

I have no Idea who they are , but they are screaming out for your attentions :




Notice how this vile person just couldn't resist walking away from the thread themselves , and even went to the trouble to leave a wonderful word of hope ?

It's Clearly a sign of chronic Liberal disease !

Ready to Operate ? LMAO

:D

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It is Audrey who is being highly uncivilized , disrespectful , and calling names here .

I don't remember calling anyone here these kind of names , in fact have been patient and enduring of all the hatred and insinuation.

There is nothing to be ashamed of or apologetic for , you were never as bad as Audrey , in Fact IMHO it's Audrey who owes the entire board an appology .

She's acting like a complete troll
I didn't come here to agree with everyone , and if in some ways people here do agree than great , but if they disagree , So what !

Cest le Vie , thats life ...and if everyone had the same outlook what a boring life that would be.


There are people who insist that they are always correct ....those who insist that you have to agree with their every position , and there are those who are in bad need of a large dose of ExLax

Thank you kindly for being human and having a heart , and showing me that you aren't either rude , nor irresponsible .....While we may never agree on many things , you still have my total respect .
I am ashamed to say I wasted some of my life perusing your other board; you should be quite used to this kind of contempt. I now know for a fact that it is not the first time you have been verbally spanked.

Yes, it was an unpleasant post for you, but you want a double standard in place. You say you haven't ever called anyone here these kinds of names; but you have insulted board members with your rhetoric. If want free speech and the freedom to vilify and demean others ( in some cases, entire countries or ethnic groups), you have to expect this kind of reaction.


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Notice how this vile person just couldn't resist walking away from the thread themselves
That is an obtuse statement.

But, this one takes first prize:

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She's acting like a complete troll .
If memory serves me right, and it does, you and your entire board came here the very intent of overrunning this community; your actions were the Internet equivalent of raping and pillaging.

By definition, you are the troll.

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.[1] They may also plant images and data on networks that others may find disturbing (usually indirectly relating to the individual in person) in order to cause confrontation.


Your actions and attitude have diminished any credibility you might have hoped for. Bad news speaks for itself; you do not need to continually exacerbate bad situations, personal or worldwide, with snide commentary and hate mongering remarks.

The Duke 06-07-2007 03:53 PM

Heres Laughing at You
 
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Originally Posted by House,M.D. (Post 347473)
I am ashamed to say I wasted some of my life perusing your other board; you should be quite used to this kind of contempt. I now know for a fact that it is not the first time you have been verbally spanked.

Yes, it was an unpleasant post for you, but you want a double standard in place. You say you haven't ever called anyone here these kinds of names; but you have insulted board members with your rhetoric. If want free speech and the freedom to vilify and demean others ( in some cases, entire countries or ethnic groups), you have to expect this kind of reaction.




That is an obtuse statement.

But, this one takes first prize:



If memory serves me right, and it does, you and your entire board came here the very intent of overrunning this community; your actions were the Internet equivalent of raping and pillaging.

By definition, you are the troll.

In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.[1] They may also plant images and data on networks that others may find disturbing (usually indirectly relating to the individual in person) in order to cause confrontation.


Your actions and attitude have diminished any credibility you might have hoped for. Bad news speaks for itself; you do not need to continually exacerbate bad situations, personal or worldwide, with snide commentary and hate mongering remarks.

I feel no need to take offense at your opinion .....first let me tell you that I didn't come here with the intention of overrunning this board .

In fact it may behoeve you to check some sources as to how I got here in the first place .

You see there were people begging me to come here ....for reasons I know not .

I was never part of an organised plot to drop bombs on this board , and in fact have dropped no bombs on anyone here ....

But since you desire to digress and go over to name calling yourself ....I confer to you that you should just go back to ICQ and look at that board in question .

I will admit there were days there when frustration over abuse by other users got the better of me , and I reacted to someone elses abusive manners in bad form , but as in all things I've moved beyond that ....After all, the last time I checked my blood pressure I found out that I was still a human being and not some internet junkie machine that turns out mindless crap for the benefit of irritating others.

So Here Doc , You just go on back and take a look for yourself what that place has become since I left it , and judge not medicine man , lest you be judged and prescribed to in return .

Right here you go !
:rolleyes:

Oh and Doc , do keep in mind that I am not here to be in agreement with you , and I never asked you to agree with me either ......

If you can adhere to that then the rest is simple , and will not result in any more temper tatrums erupting from you !

besides you don't really want to look and act like this here now do ya ?

House,M.D. 06-07-2007 05:05 PM

Re: your edit

It shows a remarkable lack of restraint and self control; you've actually gone out of your way to validate every negative opinion expressed about you.

You don't need my help; you're doing a great job of embarrassing yourself.

Kudos, thank you, and goodbye.

Audreyvgs 06-07-2007 06:14 PM

I don't believe in Hell, but in this case,
I'd say that all zealots rule there.

Well said, doc. every single point he made.


bleh.

craig johnston 06-08-2007 05:09 AM

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You see uneducated people will always allow others who appoint themselves to think and act for them , this syndrome of responsibility by proxy grows from a weak social system where higher education takes a back seat to superstition and myths.
so we're talking about alabama now?

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What we have here are in the west are a group , or shall we say a society of hard working , highly educated enfranchised people who are busily debating about whether they should defend themselves from an onslaught by a group of bloodthirsty Disenfrachised Cro-Magnons who's belief is that their way is the only way , and we accomodate them about this in lieu to actually planning a solid defense first and offering them our help second .
this kind of simplistic attitude is at the heart of the problem. as long as there are people on both sides who characterise the other in such schoolyard terms, the rest of us will have to suffer. the 'defensive' act of attacking iraq has only created more fuel to the fire and encouraged those who are against america to see it exactly as you describe them, ie 'a group of bloodthirsty Disenfrachised Cro-Magnons who's belief is that their way is the only way'.

the fact is that the vast majority of people around the world want to live in peace and security, and to have the chance to create a better life for themselves and their children. it is the name calling extremists on both sides who are causing the conflict.
i wish we would move on, grow up, and start to address each others concerns so that we can have a peaceful world. this will not be achieved through childish insults such as those above.

The Duke 06-08-2007 04:13 PM

What a Para"docs" you are in
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by House,M.D. (Post 347479)
Re: your edit

It shows a remarkable lack of restraint and self control; you've actually gone out of your way to validate every negative opinion expressed about you.

You don't need my help; you're doing a great job of embarrassing yourself.

Kudos, thank you, and goodbye.


Being such a moralist here must be completely time consuming for you Doc , Yet you still find the extra time to add your own negativity in invading someone elses thread not with an upright response of honest debate , but instead with weasely like conjecture, and complaint .....

Call me obtuse or whatever , even a troll but the mirror is on you pal ,,,,,try the Helicopter view for once .....see what you say to me and see what you do ...

For Example Doc,

You parting with me, here on my own thread is such sweet laughter ! :D

The Duke 06-08-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by craig johnston (Post 347541)
so we're talking about alabama now?



this kind of simplistic attitude is at the heart of the problem. as long as there are people on both sides who characterise the other in such schoolyard terms, the rest of us will have to suffer. the 'defensive' act of attacking iraq has only created more fuel to the fire and encouraged those who are against america to see it exactly as you describe them, ie 'a group of bloodthirsty Disenfrachised Cro-Magnons who's belief is that their way is the only way'.

the fact is that the vast majority of people around the world want to live in peace and security, and to have the chance to create a better life for themselves and their children. it is the name calling extremists on both sides who are causing the conflict.
i wish we would move on, grow up, and start to address each others concerns so that we can have a peaceful world. this will not be achieved through childish insults such as those above.

Yahoo ! I guess you are fixing to play the Redneck card here on me any minute now , man somethings are so predictable it seems .

Your Right though "most people do want to live in peace and security"

but alas good sir , these items are not mere rhetoric solely designed to be added to your daily combo of spn (as in twisting my words here such as you have done ), and Liberal dicotomy.

Your solution is actually no solution to it at all , To you we're the Cro Magnons because in your view we are picking on a tiny minority of headchoppers who had declared war on us over Ten years ago , and have vowed for our destruction ..I find very little peace and security in that plain cold hard fact I might add !
have you ever tried to explain it this way to an Isalamofacist , and see what reaction you will get ?
:rolleyes:

craig johnston 06-08-2007 06:32 PM

ok, first off;

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You see uneducated people will always allow others who appoint themselves to think and act for them , this syndrome of responsibility by proxy grows from a weak social system where higher education takes a back seat to superstition and myths.
click

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To you we're the Cro Magnons because in your view we are picking on a tiny minority of headchoppers who had declared war on us over Ten years ago , and have vowed for our destruction
no, what i said was:

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those who are against america to see it exactly as you describe them
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it is the name calling extremists on both sides who are causing the conflict
i'm not against america and i'm not calling people cro-magnons or whatever.
that was my point. we have to grow up, engage with each other and find to some way to live together on this planet that we share. whether you like it or not, there are many millions of moslems living around the world and only a very small percentage of them are hell bent on our destruction, just the same as there are only a small minority of christians who wish to destroy islam. so why this conflict? your narrow view of a pure and just west under threat from 'islamofascists' is just not adequate for the complexity of the situation, and as long as there are people on both sides who use this kind of inflammitory language, i fear the situation will not improve. we've tried the 'bomb 'em into the stone age' type of interaction for many centuries and it is horrific, unproductive and just plain wasteful.
it's time to move on.

Audreyvgs 06-08-2007 06:52 PM


Brynn 06-08-2007 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 347627)
here on my own thread

Not sure why, but the words "flash mob" just came to mind...:)

The Duke 06-09-2007 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craig johnston (Post 347661)
ok, first off;



click



no, what i said was:



&



i'm not against america and i'm not calling people cro-magnons or whatever.
that was my point. we have to grow up, engage with each other and find to some way to live together on this planet that we share. whether you like it or not, there are many millions of moslems living around the world and only a very small percentage of them are hell bent on our destruction, just the same as there are only a small minority of christians who wish to destroy islam. so why this conflict? your narrow view of a pure and just west under threat from 'islamofascists' is just not adequate for the complexity of the situation, and as long as there are people on both sides who use this kind of inflammitory language, i fear the situation will not improve. we've tried the 'bomb 'em into the stone age' type of interaction for many centuries and it is horrific, unproductive and just plain wasteful.
it's time to move on.

Very Good , you have a very noble case here ...only one thing Craig , and oh it's such a stickler too ....

Did you tell this to the Islamofacists ?

Do you really think that a mob of Islamofacist fanatic savages and their support structures are gonna go for your wonderful ideas ?

You see here is my point , for some reason there is a contingency of westerners who are blind to this fact , and they think it is up to us to initiate a peace with a group that has declared war upon us ....they do not realize that waving white flags in the face of this enemy only means weakness to them , they do not realize that this enemy cranks up the war when it sees surrender , and in fact they do not realise that the Word Islam itself means subbmission .


Yes Craig you do have a wonderful outlook ,and it's a very acceptable one by western values , now if only the enemy shared that view or even shared a thought process that was in the 21st century . I think if that were possible we might even succeed .

There is still plenty of time for you to hit the library and read about the history of Islam , and it's founder I think you don't realize what it is we are all actually up against.

The Duke 06-09-2007 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audreyvgs (Post 347664)


Of course you have these sorts of nightmares about anyone who isn't in lockstep with your brand of politics Audrey ....the term commonly used to describe this sort of behaviour you are showing is "Hate" .

Of course I want you to know that I don't hate you Audrey.

Instead I pity you for having so much Hatred for someone you don't even know well enough , that you decide to post some goofy picture that has absolutely nothing to do with who they really are , It doesn't even look like me but thats just your Idea of how everyone who doesn't agree with your brand of group think should look .

You are a classic Audrey , Hatred combined with stereotyping , I'm sure the KKK would welcome you into their organisation with open arms .

Audrey , Try to understand that this is simply your own phantasms at work ...

now I am going to give you a little dose of reality just to freshen up for the lie you have published here about me , but before I begin to repost this article , let me say that I was once a Democrat , but left the folds when I saw all the Leftist Hatred creeping in to the party along with the rhetoric of intolerance .

The guy who wrote the following article is a respected Psychiatrist and he coined the term " Liberal Disease " if only because it really does exist , and it afflicts millions of honest Americans each year like a cancer .

For what you have me pegged as is totally erroneous , for I am no Republican either , I am an Independant or what you may see as a centrist ...hee hee hee ! :D

Just read this simple article and know something about yourself for once :


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The liberal disease


By Marcus J. Goldman





"It's one thing to support the president but an entirely different matter to have a Bush bumper sticker on your car." And so it began — my wife's initiation into the loving, tolerant fold of liberal women acquaintances. She had declined an offer to help finance John Kerry's campaign. What a firestorm! My poor wife had thought that liberal Democrats epitomized free speech, the civil exchange of ideas, diversity and inclusion. Rather than intellectual discourse, however, she found a light show of censorship, revulsion and hate. In a show of incredulous hostility, they swarmed around her, called her names and then left her to sit by herself. In recounting the day's events, she told me she had contracted "You-are-a-fascist-and are-alone-iosis."
I confessed that I too had gotten the bug — my boss yelled at me and called me a fascist. I think the kids have it too. Their elementary school newspaper carried an informal poll of well-informed students (K through 5) which listed reasons to love John Kerry and hate George Bush. Deep within the network of caves buried under our community, a conspiracy is afoot to quarantine us. Rightly so. Who wants this disease?
The creation of an illusion that support for the president is aberrant, is unsettling . . . but not surprising. My wife's pals represent a microcosm of liberal fantasy made real. Of course, her secret connections to Halliburton are well known. She is milking the Iraqi people. She hates poor people and offers snide remarks about the handicapped. Beneath the various mysteries contained in every woman's purse, fitted snugly next to her lipstick and Nazi identity card, are her machine gun and Confederate flag. My wife staunchly supports marching off to any war without reason. She is delighted when we suffer casualties. She advocates unsafe abortion and hates gay people. Because she supports the Patriot Act, she hates free speech. A cross hangs over the bed, even though she is Jewish. She despises clean water. Saddam's spider hole briefcase hangs on her wall. She supports right-wing conspiracies of all shapes and sizes. But now that "You-are-a-fascist-and are-alone-iosis" has been confirmed by laboratory rats, what to do? She requires an emergent eight point plan of treatment:
1) She is right to feel alone, even if Republicans control both houses of Congress, 2/3 of governorships (including our state's governorship) and, oh yes, the presidency. She should hang her head in shame.
2) She is a fascist — she should just go with it.
3) She has a right to support the president, as long as she keeps it to herself. She has to lose the bumper sticker.
4) She should self-censor her thoughts and ideas: Her friends are far too busy with their social agendas to continuously provide this important service.
5) She is exclusive and intolerant — even more so since Republicans freed the slaves and outvoted Democrats in support of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. She should crawl into a hole.
6) She must not take a black eye for her beliefs: With all her war-like aggression, who has time? She must put a bag over her head.
7) She must give all of her money away — after all, her friends give their money away...to their children and their brokers.
8) For her views — whatever they are, she should be arrested, isolated, convicted and sentenced. After all, that is the hallmark of judicial activism.
What do I really tell her? Liberal thought defies reality. Ideas are impulse driven, emotional and certainly in the case of my wife, shamefully wrong and hypocritical. In fact, she has the anti-disease. Accusations leveled against her are simply intolerable projections of her friends' own shortcomings. They loathe free speech — unless it is their own, are well connected, have plenty of money, speak ill of others less fortunate. Their notion of diversity is superficial. Their censorship skills are finely honed. I tell my wife that feelings of isolation are a contrived illusion — a smokescreen created by those who have no true core beliefs. I tell her that liberals are collections of small clumps of desperate groups with varied agendas who emerge en masse to fruitlessly scream and protest at rallies. But the stakes are truly great. How ironic, I tell her, that the appeasing Bush hating "why can't we all get along" party of Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy dream of world involvement in our nation's affairs and wish to be guided by a bouquet of warring Third World nations . . . yet are so completely devoid of any ability to tolerate differing views on even the most local community level. The party of civility and inclusion is truly the party of shrieking instability, unabashed anger, inequality and emotionality.
My wife will not be financing John Kerry's election bid. Who would want the support of someone with "You-are-a-fascist-and are-alone-iosis" anyway?

Dr. Marcus J. Goldman is a psychiatrist and author of "The Joy of Fatherhood."
Truer Words were never spoken .....this is the Democratic party of today , a party filled with a membership who's charter is "animosity first , and forcing subjective opinion second "

Heres the big difference between you and I :
No matter what you believe or say about me Audrey , I will not allow myself to come down to your level and start hating ....Simply Put : You Lost !

I don't hate you , in fact I find you rather stimulating as someone who I can observe that proves every point I have ever made about Liberal disease, the group think , Lock step , and the so called Progressive culture we now have infesting American culture .


Way to go Baby ! :D


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