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Old 05-02-2007, 11:47 AM   #1
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GW Bush Vetos Iraq US Troops Withdrawl

WASHINGTON -President Bush vetoed legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq Tuesday night in a historic showdown with Congress over whether the unpopular and costly war should end or escalate.

Not since Vietnam, has the American public been so confused about an issue facing the USA. This happening on the 4th Anniversary of the famous GW Bush "Misson Accomplished" speech. How ironic!!!!!

While I am an American Military Veteran as well as the majority of my family, most of us feel going into Iraq to topple Saddams regime was a good move. Staying after this was done, gets a little harder to swallow. I'm interested in the viewpoints of others on this subject. I just don't see what can possibly be accomplished by the US Forces remaining there without a clear exit strategy but, if they're going to be there. Fund them & support them.

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Old 05-02-2007, 01:13 PM   #2
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Hey there. I agree to a point. This has gone on long enough. People are dying in too big of numbers (any number is too big IMO) and there seems to be no end to it. Iraq needs to step up and take over their own country. However we can't set a date (at least not publicly) to withdraw. That, like many has said, is like waving a white flag. It gives the terrorist a date to say ok we'll sit back until that date then after they are gone we'll continue with our mission and then we will be free to do what we want. If they are gonna set a date for withdrawal they shouldn't make it public and until they are withdrawn you are right they needed to be funded and supported. If their funds are taken away I bet the death toll for our American soldiers will rise greatly all because congress and Bush can't agree on anything. How can either the Dems or the GOP expect anyone to get along if they can't. We have essentially a civil war going on right in the middle of our own government. Incredible
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Old 05-02-2007, 02:47 PM   #3
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Granted the withdrawl date should never be made public. Notify the Iraqi Gov't & U.S. Military Commanders of the date. Then route the US Troops in stages to the airport for pick up. Staying without at least planning an exit strategy makes very little sense. Many of these newly arriving US Forces could be moved to Kuwait, then transferred to Afganistan to finish up there as well. Our US Forces cannot be allow to die to prop up the Iraqi Gov't without a clear plan to leave this nation. The time has come for our USA Government Leaders to make some hard choices. This isn't about what political party you belong to. Commonsense and the lives of the US Forces must be be put first. Staying in Iraq longer accomplishes what exactly????


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Old 05-02-2007, 03:27 PM   #4
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I can see nothing that staying in Iraq will accomplish now. Everything we could accomplish we have done we may not have accomplished everything we wanted to but everything that we can accomplish has been. Now it should be time to make Iraq responsible for their own country. They have to do it sometime. We can't stay over there forever. If it came down to that we might as well just take over the country and make it part of the US. Its time to bring our countrymen home to their families and stop allowing them to be picked off one at a time. More often then not more than one at a time. They are like sitting ducks and with the funding and support being cut off it will get worse.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:30 PM   #5
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That, like many has said, is like waving a white flag. It gives the terrorist a date to say ok we'll sit back until that date then after they are gone we'll continue with our mission and then we will be free to do what we want.
please explain this to me. usually people that surrender to some form of attack will wave a white flag. the us invaded iraq.

invaded. iraq.

why the white flag?

and where does "the terrorist" come into play? is there just one? and he lives in iraq??

please explain.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:35 PM   #6
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It's just an expression. If the US announces that they are gonna withdraw and makes a date public that will send a message to any and all terrorist or whatever you want to call these people a signal. They will say ok lets hide out for a while keep ourselves safe and once this withdrawal date comes around and the troops all leave then we can all come out and reek havoc once again and they wont be there to stop us or slow us down.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:43 PM   #7
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whatever you want to call these people
i would like to call terrorists "terrorists".

i would also like to call the people of iraq "iraqi".

i also have a headache and am in no mood for this kind of bullshit so i won't take it any further.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:45 PM   #8
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I wasnt referring to the citizens of Iraq I was referring to the terrorists themselves. People have many different names for them.
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Old 05-03-2007, 07:41 PM   #9
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Cool Okay Let's look at it objectively

We invaded Iraq on the basis of information provided by a guy who is now writing a book in order to blame Bush for the very same erroneous intel he handed over to establish a reason for going into Iraq in the first place ..George Tennet should just face the music and tell the truth ....

But Pulling out now will hold many consequences that Dems like Pelosi , Reid , Murtha , Kennedy , and Biden , not to mention many others will have to answer for in the aftermath of retreat .

Yes the Dems are waving a white flag at our enemy , and are telling them that we lost this war , they are saying this to an enemy in hiding , to afraid to operate by light of day ...

So whats gonna happen Folks ?

First there will be a bloody secular civil war , the Sunni and the Shia will go at it like wild canines , and the death toll of innocent Iraqis will reach into the Million bracket all with the help and financing from countries like Iran and Syria who will support the two opposing sects, and would like to see Iraq broken down so they can move in on those oil fields ... Next after witnessing this break down , the Kourds will claim statehood to the north , and the Turks will certainly invade into northern Iraq and another couple hundred thousand deaths will be attributed here ....

In the meanwhile ....

Al Qaeda Terrorist bases will be set up in Iraq at the expense of the terror supporting neighbor states , and training will ensue to stage attacks in your cities and towns , both in Europe and America ..and if you thought 9-11 was bad , you ain't seen nothin yet ...

Then comes the cruncher ...Iran will finally move in with an excuse that it comes to settle all the ethnic/secular strife and literally will take command of Iraq ..Now if you aren't a Shia Muslim I trully feel sorry for you ...

After that you may look to the straits of Hormuz , the most important sea lane of the export of your oil , I'm talking about a major portion of the oil and gas you use to heat your homes , and fire up your automobiles ...the Iranians will mine the straights of Hormuz , and you will be paying upwards of $7 to $8 for a single gallon of gasoline ...thats good news if I ever heard it !

After that there will come protest and the Dems will want to relaunch an invasion , BUT By this time anyone who opposes the move that was made by Iran in usurping Iraq in it's entirety will be threatened with a long or short range nuclear attack , and just for general purposes and a show of strength the Iranians will perform a live test of their arsenal on Israel for the whole world to see . And Israel will be destroyed

Add it all up , and consider what a huge amount of evil waving a little white flag can do ...

Maybe the Moonbats should reconsider their profound hatred For Bush ..after all BDS is no reason to see half the world destroyed ......

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Old 05-03-2007, 08:23 PM   #10
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You have some valid points and concerns, however, I'm hesitate to agree with you on Iran destroying Israel. About 25 to 30 years ago it was Saddam & Iraq that were enruching uranium, refusing to allow UN Inspectors inside their borders for inspections. Much like whats going on with Iran now was occurring in Iraq. The UN made repeated threats of action against Iraq unless they alowed in UN Inspectors and stopped all enrichment activities with no progress. Then Israel took it upon itself to bomb Iraq delivered by their planes and destroyed all nuclear activities going on in Iraq, taking it back to square one of the process. When the UN tried to take action against Israel for such a move. The USA used its UN Veto power to protect Israel. Iran will have the same thing happen to them with bombs being deliverd in two ways this time before Iran ever gets its first nuclear weapon. This will happen by a jet plane bombing run & Tomohawk Cruise Missles. Both Israel already has, and Irans Nuclear Program will be tken back to square one. Once again the UN will want to take action against Israel and the USA will use its UN Veto power again to stop it. Iran will try to strike back using missless purchased from Russia, which Israel has a Missle Defense Sytem the USA sold them for protection years ago. Iran will also attempt to fund terrorists to attack Israel with limited success. When its all said & done, Israel will still be here and Irans Nuclear Program will be destroyed. Since neither event has occurred as of yet, we agree to disagree and wait to find out who was right. It would be nice if both of us were wrong but one of us is right on this one.

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Old 05-03-2007, 08:30 PM   #11
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Cool Whoops !

25 to 30 years ago ?

uh oh did I just hear the goofy buzzer go off ?

Well you know what it is TM , you can just watch wait and listen as the Dems certainly will do after we pull out of Iraq ......but don't forget to have plenty of kleenex on hand to dry those tears of grief with !
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Old 05-03-2007, 08:46 PM   #12
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The Democrats may be a majority in the US Congress but still lack the votes to override a veto. GW Bush is not going to change that much and it depends on who the Democrats nominate for the 2008 Election. Right now it appears the next US President will be GOP and the US Congress will have the same problem they have now. Thats just the possibility I see coming. I'm an independent voter thats not happy about want I see and hear from the Dems at this time. In Presidential Elections in the past I've voted for Dems & the GOP at times. Finding a candidates that will protect & lead the USA isn't as easy as it used to be.

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Old 05-03-2007, 08:57 PM   #13
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You are very optimistic , I dearly hope you are right ...for all the right reasons !
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Old 05-03-2007, 09:21 PM   #14
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IOn June 7, 1981, that 16 U.S.-made Israeli warplanes bombed and destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad, more than 600 miles from Israel's borders.1 Prime Minister Menachem Begin claimed the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to Israel because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were contradicted by a number of experts, but there was considerable circumstantial evidence that Iraq indeed hoped eventually to develop a nuclear weapon. However, Israel's critics pointed out that Iraq was a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which allowed international inspections of the nuclear facility, while Israel itself refused to sign the treaty, refused inspections of its nuclear facility, and was widely believed to have a large nuclear arsenal.

OK, 26 years ago, Israel bombed the Nuclear Reactor near Baghdad, destroying Iraqs chances of of getting a nuclear bomb, not 25 to 30 years ago.

Now. another 9/11 type event will happen without any doubt if the US leaders continue to do nothing about USA Border & Ports Security to protect the American public.

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Old 05-03-2007, 08:34 PM   #15
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You have some valid points and concerns, however, I'm hesitate to agree with you on Iran destroying Israel. About 25 to 30 years ago it was Saddam & Iraq that were enruching uranium, refusing to allow UN Inspectors inside their borders for inspections. Much like whats going on with Iran now was occurring in Iraq. The UN made repeated threats of action against Iraq unless they alowed in UN Inspectors and stopped all enrichment activities with no progress. Then Israel took it upon itself to bomb Iraq delivered by their planes and destroyed all nuclear activities going on in Iraq, taking it back to square one of the process. When the UN tried to take action against Israel for such a move. The USA used its UN Veto power to protect Israel. Iran will have the same thing happen to them with bombs being deliverd in two ways this time before Iran ever gets its first nuclear weapon. This will happen by a jet plane bombing run & Tomohawk Cruise Missles. Both Israel already has, and Irans Nuclear Program will be tken back to square one. Once again the UN will want to take action against Israel and the USA will use its UN Veto power again to stop it. Iran will try to strike back using missless purchased from Russia, which Israel has a Missle Defense Sytem the USA sold them for protection years ago. Iran will also attempt to fund terrorists to attack Israel with limited success. When its all said & done, Israel will still be here and Irans Nuclear Program will be destroyed. Since neither event has occurred as of yet, we agree to disagree and wait to find out who was right. It would be nice if both of us were wrong but one of us is right on this one.

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Might I add that your post clearly defines the pre 9-11 mentality ...maybe you simply forgot about those highjacked Jumbos , the Buildings and 3000 dead people ?

It can happen , it's been proven to happen a lot lately !
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