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Old 07-04-2007, 12:30 PM   #31
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Mmh, I don't have the honour to get a personalised version of your standard lecture - you should know that I live only slightly above the poverty line and can neither afford luxury vacations nor have much time for any vacations at all, plus you should know that I know the Qu'ran quite well (misogynic, homophobe, revengeful monotheism from the desert at its finest just like Bible and Torah).

Am extremely short of time and increasingly bored by your 1D handling of the problematic, so just this:

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We don't need the Keystone Cops on this one , we need strength and conviction ...and to be able to ascertain a way to defeat the ideology of death .
So you are telling me that all actions of legislators, police, secret services, border patrols against terrorism and extremism worldwide are dilettante and ineffective? You suggest? More military actions? Did they decrease the problem in any way so far?? Mayhap even deportation of Muslims living in non-Muslim countries?



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The Jihadi doesn't see himself as a criminal , and I don't think it's plausible that we see him as a criminal either ..let's call the Jihadi exactly what he is , He is in fact the enemy to diversity among humankind and freedom of belief ,an enemy to free speech , and the pursuit of life liberty and happiness.
(i.e. the ultimate evil...)

Hate speech and (attempted) murder - particularly in large-scale terrorist fashion - are crimes --> criminals and not some sort of mythical Übermenschen. Do a bit of reading on the Red Army Fraction and the hysteria back then in the 70s - which made them far bigger in the heads of people than they actually were. And both the phenomenon and hysteria in that case were on a far smaller scale than today.

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Squawk all you want but there is no getting around it , it's all written in black and white in their little evil book , all you have to do is open it and read it .
Nope, gonna leave you squawking alone now. Love this board cos it's more like a virtual living room and not a virtual battle field. A place to relax, have fun, be childish whatever.

You know, working for the "Keystone Cops" is one of the things that would interest me very much after I have my PhD... so I might still have do do with extremism, terrorism in depth and professionally. Your theses though a) offer nothing new to solve the problem, it's just hollering about "Islam this", "Muslims that" and b) just don't fit into a living room, now, do they?
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:29 PM   #32
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Talking Stephie

We'll talk again sometime after you have your PhD , A career , your own family with kids , Your Husband, and your favorite vacation orde, not to mention the many other things like your Grandkids , whom you will soon come to find threatened by the developing circumstances surrounding todays events .....

It's okay to clamour on about the Torah and the Bible , Heck let's even throw in the Bahavad Gida for extra measure , as you try to to compare their followeres to those who live by the Quran , I understand your rhetoric for what it is ....In your world it's just like those were really Bhuddists who were commiting terror acts in London , and not Muslims ...Dream On !

I'll accept it gladly , Today I am the Child thats quite fine and dandy by me , but in reality it is actually you by your own words who are not yet finished growing , either with your studies ..nor the fulfilment of any of your long term lifes goals .

And today you tell me you are Poor , Hardly I say !

You are not poor at all , even though you claim you are ....after all , How could someone so destitute , so poor and as an impoverished person ever pay for the study it takes to acquire that PhD .... Oops looks like you got a little bit caught out here Stephie

Your reasoning about your own life is not quite relevant you see ...

But your day of reasoning will come, they all do !

In the meantime you stick to messaging , but remember the entire world is my living room !
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Old 07-04-2007, 01:44 PM   #33
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Al Queda Leader: 'Those Who Cure You Will Kill You'

The Islamofacists may be against modernity and innovation in most areas, but they’re very creative when it comes to depravity: ‘Those who cure you will kill you’.
This crispy terror suspect was a licensed medical doctor working for the NHS

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An al-Qaeda leader in Iraq boasted before last week’s failed bombings in London and Glasgow that his group was planning to attack British targets and that “those who cure you will kill you”, The Times has learnt.

The warning was delivered to Canon Andrew White, a senior British cleric working in Baghdad, and could be highly significant as the eight Muslims arrested in the wake of the failed plot are all members of the medical profession. Canon White told The Times that he had passed the general warning, but not the specific words, to a senior official at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) in mid-April. A Foreign Office spokesman said last night that it was forwarding the actual words to the Metropolitan Police.

The Times also learnt yesterday that one of the suspects, the Iraqi doctor Bilal Abdulla, had links to radical Islamic groups, and that several of the eight suspects have now been linked to known extremist radicals listed on MI5’s data base. Canon White, who runs Baghdad’s only Anglican parish, said that he met the al-Qaeda leader on the fringes of a meeting about religious reconciliation held in Amman, the Jordanian capital.

“He talked to me about how they were going to destroy British and Americans. He told me that the plans were already made and they would soon be destroying the British. He said the people who cure you would kill you.”

The man, who was in his forties and had travelled from Syria for the meeting, said that the plans would come to fruition in the next few weeks and target the British first. He said that the British and Americans were being targeted because of their actions in Iraq. He did not learn the man’s identity until after the meeting, and will not disclose it now, but said: “I met the Devil that day.”

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Old 07-04-2007, 01:59 PM   #34
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Ehm if

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the entire world is my living room !
then you might know that Germany's (still) got a free university system

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You are not poor at all , even though you claim you are ....after all , How could someone so destitute , so poor and as an impoverished person ever pay for the study it takes to acquire that PhD .... Oops looks like you got a little bit caught out here Stephie
Actually I get paid money (officially for teaching, but actually so that I can live while working on my PhD) - as a part time scientific employee - of which I pay twice a year the university fee (~240€, more than half for the public transport ticket, the rest for uni admin: cheap food & drink available on campus, stuff like that) every student pays, no matter if freshman or PhD student. (Only if you're starting a second study - not building upon your initial one - you have to pay REAL fees at the moment.)
But well, after my fix costs (rent, insurances, heating, water, electricity) are away I have ca. 200€ more than a single person on welfare - no luxury vacations you see...

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I understand your rhetoric for what it is ....In your world it's just like those were really Bhuddists who were commiting terror acts in London , and not Muslims ...Dream On !
No in my world it was most likely Muslims - but not "the" Muslim. Just like RAF and Red Brigade people were leftists - but not "the" leftist. Or did you see me (definitely a leftist) kidnapping a manager or shooting a state attorney lately?

P.S.: Dunno if I'll get paranoid if I have 'settled myself down in life'... (Well, actually I don't know if I'll ever gonna have this kids and hubby thing going on, PhD is quite sure though, just loads of writing stuff up till spring) Don't do the grown-up show on me
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:14 PM   #35
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Media Puzzled at UK Terror Plot ,Star Says "Denial is a river in S. America"

The Toronto Star is completely unable to identify a common thread among the broad strata of the UK terror suspects: U.K. doctor plot thickens.

Subtitled: “All 8 detainess [sic] have ties to health service, but genesis of terror scheme still eludes investigators.”

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LONDON–Were they sent to Britain with malicious intent, or did the will to wreak havoc come later? That is now the central question for Britain’s counter-terror command as it works to unravel the botched weekend car bomb attempts in London and Scotland.

With six foreign doctors, one medical student and a former lab technician in custody after a four-day manhunt, investigators are quietly satisfied the “major suspects” in the case are in hand.

The probe now is shifting focus, as Scotland Yard works to pinpoint the genesis of the plot that fell apart bloodlessly in a surreal series of events that began early Friday.

All eight detainees have ties to Britain’s National Health Service, overlapping in their duties at two hospitals in England and Scotland. Most also have roots elsewhere, but investigators have thus far found scant few common threads in their respective backgrounds in Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, India and Saudi Arabia.
What could possibly tie this incredibly diverse group of non-Buddhists together?

It’s a real head-scratcher.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:50 PM   #36
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UK Muslim Leader makes a major Flip-Flop

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, head of Britain’s largest “mainstream” Islamic advocacy group, said all the right things in his statement today: British Muslim leader in call to support the police.


And with only the teeniest little hint of a threat. His PR people must be working with him.

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A BRITISH Muslim leader yesterday condemned the terror attacks and called on the faithful to provide “all necessary support” to prevent further outrages.

Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said it was the “Islamic duty” to do this.

He said: “It looks, sadly, as if the terror threat facing our country will be with us for some time to come.

“So let us be absolutely clear about this - that those who seek to deliberately kill or maim innocent people are the enemies of all of us.

“There is no cause whatsoever that could possibly justify such barbarity.

“Those who engage in such murderous actions and those that provide support for them are the enemies of all, Muslims and nonMuslims, and stand against our shared values in the UK.” He said his group would be convening a meeting of key imams and leading community activists in London on Saturday.
You may recall that a couple of weeks ago, Dr. Abdul Bari was singing a very different tune, inciting Muslim rage over Salman Rushdie: British Muslim Leaders Seething Over Rushdie.

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“Many will interpret the knighthood as a final contemptuous parting gift from Tony Blair to the Muslim world,” said secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, Abdul Bari.

Bari said that the Indian-born author earned “notoriety among Muslims for the highly insulting and blasphemous manner in which he portrayed early Islamic figures much-loved and honoured by them.”

“The insensitive decision to grant Rushdie a knighthood can therefore only do harm to the image of our country in the eyes of hundreds of millions of Muslims across the world,” he warned.
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Old 07-05-2007, 11:46 AM   #37
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And We Have Another Jihad Doctor with a Video

There’s another video from the Egyptian physician, Ayman al-Zawahiri, but it sounds like nothing new; Dr. Rusty has some details: The Jawa Report: New Zawahiri Video Released: ‘The Advice of One Concerned’.


Or....You can view this despicable Islamofacist monstrosity of a non human being right here ....
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Old 07-05-2007, 11:58 AM   #38
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British Muslims Gather to Show their Love and Devotion for the UK

Here are a series of Speeches and some images that were taken by Rusty Humphries just outside the central Mosque of London ...Audio and video show just how many of the mainstream British muslims (most of whom are in England for purely economic and otherwise asylum reasons) feel about the Crown , and the country as a whole : Anti Rushdie -Anti UK speeches from outside the Central Mosque in London.

Even more reason for England to cordially invite the people of this nature to simply shut up, and catch the next plane back to the desert land from whence they came
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Islamofacist group Hizb Ut Tahrir in Britain

A BBC show called “Politics of Terror” focuses on Hizb ut Tahrir and their infiltration into British schools and institutions.
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then you might know that Germany's (still) got a free university system



Actually I get paid money (officially for teaching, but actually so that I can live while working on my PhD) - as a part time scientific employee - of which I pay twice a year the university fee (~240€, more than half for the public transport ticket, the rest for uni admin: cheap food & drink available on campus, stuff like that) every student pays, no matter if freshman or PhD student. (Only if you're starting a second study - not building upon your initial one - you have to pay REAL fees at the moment.)
But well, after my fix costs (rent, insurances, heating, water, electricity) are away I have ca. 200€ more than a single person on welfare - no luxury vacations you see...



No in my world it was most likely Muslims - but not "the" Muslim. Just like RAF and Red Brigade people were leftists - but not "the" leftist. Or did you see me (definitely a leftist) kidnapping a manager or shooting a state attorney lately?

P.S.: Dunno if I'll get paranoid if I have 'settled myself down in life'... (Well, actually I don't know if I'll ever gonna have this kids and hubby thing going on, PhD is quite sure though, just loads of writing stuff up till spring) Don't do the grown-up show on me
a Free education reminds me of a Free lunch ....A free lunch is usually something that you wouldn't buy on sight anyway , but if it's free , okay go for it ...

I know of subsidized education , like we have here in Holland , and the study Buurse (loan) but in Holland everyone pays for their education ....

No teacher worth their salt wants to work for free...

And the Quality of education here is very high .....what a coincidence that you are an educator too !
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Old 07-05-2007, 01:07 PM   #41
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a Free education reminds me of a Free lunch ....A free lunch is usually something that you wouldn't buy on sight anyway , but if it's free , okay go for it ...

I know of subsidized education , like we have here in Holland , and the study Buurse (loan) but in Holland everyone pays for their education ....

No teacher worth their salt wants to work for free...

And the Quality of education here is very high .....what a coincidence that you are an educator too !
Not necessarily free means crappy, we got two of what they call now elite unis here in Berlin they're just as free than ours (which is still too new to have gained fame, but our workgroup is part of an 'excellence cluster' ) Or think about Heidelberg, Marburg, TU Munich - all state unis, i.e. free. Yes and I heard stories from folks who been on exchange in places like Harvard or Cambridge... not all that glitters is gold through and through.

We're just on the verge to get more or less the same system you got in the Netherlands - 500-1000€/semester for everybody. Of course poor students will get interest-free credits and partial relief from fees if they are fast and excellent. What sucks is that this system's gonna be extremely bad for people who have to work besides study (to pay fees and life) and thus might need 1-2 semesters more (like me buddy from my old uni) and/or who are good but not excellent (like me for example, B+ diploma, a Bavarian one though, thus it'd be like a A- here in the north, but excellent means A I suppose) - maybe cos they have the balls to study / specialise on something difficult...

Do you know any country were teaching personal - whether at schools or at universities - are getting rich? Me not. 'kay C4 profs (those who have their own chair) and heads of research institutes earn quite nice - but the broad masses, nay! Teaching is btw not my main duty (only give 2h/week math excercises for freshmen in winter semester) - actually it's more like part of my education as an academic - but it is 'scientific services'... which reminds me --> back to write bloody publication!
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Do you know any country were teaching personal - whether at schools or at universities - are getting rich? Me not. 'kay C4 profs (those who have their own chair) and heads of research institutes earn quite nice - but the broad masses, nay! Teaching is btw not my main duty (only give 2h/week math excercises for freshmen in winter semester) - actually it's more like part of my education as an academic - but it is 'scientific services'... which reminds me --> back to write bloody publication!
Yep .sure do ..... a place called the USA , Heres a list of Universities that pay their teachers in 6 digits or more ...

an average teachers salary (High School) in the US is in the mid 5 digits $45 ,000.00 to $65,000,00 a year
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Old 07-05-2007, 08:41 PM   #43
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By posting here, I don't really mean to imply that I did anything more than scroll down past all the Duke posts to get to the end, but I couldn't help noticing from the sheer number of anti-Islamic posts Duke has posted here that he doesn't like Muslim terrorists!

Duke, is this really true?

Here's my own odd theory. I think perhaps Duke is actually a Muslim trying to pull a reverse-psychology trick here. The more he froths at the mouth about Islamofascists, the more he discredits himself as a reasonable voice sounding the alarm, simultaneously creating more and more sympathy for Muslims from people who naturally recoil from his flagrant, extremist style of xenophobia.
Perhaps Duke is a Muslim posing as an alarmist, overloading us, innoculating us against the hate he spews forth so that when and if Muslims ever really do take over the world as he claims they are doing, it will be partly because of his own efforts.
Or he could just be a guy who has a lot of time on his hands.
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Old 07-06-2007, 02:04 AM   #44
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Not really , I am an atheist , and I am simply recording all the wonderful things Islam has to offer non believers ...Let's see what was that again ?

Oh yeah , Death or submission to alah .....which one are you gonna choose when they finally ask you ?

Don't worry , they won't forget to invite you ...just look up the arabic word "Dawa"

I don't hate Muslims either , in fact I don't hate anyone at all ,why should I ?

I have a great dislike for the current Islamic movement , that says we are all less than humans because we cover our beliefs (Kafir) which should only be directed at alah and no other religion or belief.

It would seen that I have shocked your sensitivities ,and angered you and many others here ,which is actually the scope of my posts here ...it's wakey wakey time , and sleepy people are always angry at the clock first

The only thing I can show you is the truth ....so believe me when I say , "I'd rather be insensitive and open to the truth, than sensitive, and politically correct and because of this refuse to view the realities."

Like I told Stephie earlier in this thread , Hating Muslims because of Islamofacist terror would be like blaming the German people for Hitler , and the third reich....

The only thing the German people did wrong in the case of Hitler ,was that they didn't stand up and tell Hitler "Not in My Name " when they noticed Jews , Gypsys , and Poles being shipped off to be gassed at concentration camps

Maybe it was because they were too frightened to do this because they thought they would be next.
Ever wonder why that should be the case?

Try a different T word this time , it's called "Totalitarianism" and thats what the Qu'ran is about

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Old 07-06-2007, 03:01 AM   #45
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What is it exactly that you want us to do, Duke?

Be aware? Okay, thanks, we weren't catching any of this on the news.

Beseech our Muslim friends to RISE AGAINST THE HORDE THAT IS THEM? Check. But they're pretty busy getting ready for weddings, working, looking after their families, and going to university.

Vote to the right? What the **** good has that done?
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